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Len Sipes:\u00a0 From the nation’s capital, this is the DC Public Safety.\u00a0 I’m your host. Leonard Sipes.\u00a0 Today’s interview is with Assistant Attorney General Laurie Robinson of the Office of Justice Programs, US Department of Justice.\u00a0 Ms. Robinson has served in this position under two administrations, making her the longest-serving Assistant Attorney General in the history of the office of justice programs.\u00a0 For the sake of brevity, the Office of Justice Programs oversees the work of federal effort to evaluate, fund, and provide technical assistance to the country’s criminal justice system.\u00a0 She’s leaving this post and now’s a wonderful time to ask Laurie about lessons learned, and before getting into the bulk of the interview, what I wanted to do was to give some examples of some of the things that the office of justice programs works on.\u00a0 These are just a few of the topics:\u00a0 bullying, DNA backlogs, domestic violence, elder abuse and mistreatment, faith-based programs, hate crimes, human trafficking, identity theft, indigent defense, mentoring of offenders, juvenile justice, law enforcement tactics, prisoner reentry, victim assistance, and a database as to what works.\u00a0 Laurie Robinson, Assistant Attorney General, welcome to DC Public Safety.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Well, thank you.\u00a0 Thank you for having me.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 I’m really pleased that you made the time to be here today.\u00a0 Can I ask you why you’re going after all this time?<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Well, I thought it was time that I be let out on parole.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Under supervision or without supervision?<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Oh, I think probably supervision is necessary.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 You’ve occupied the role longer than anybody else.\u00a0 From that lofty perspective, I mean, you have.\u00a0 You’ve been in charge of the federal government’s criminal justice system.\u00a0 I mean, I know the attorney general is in charge, but you have headed it up under two administrations, you’ve been there for ten years, you’ve been there for longer than anybody else.\u00a0 What are your observations?\u00a0 What are your thoughts?\u00a0 What are your lessons learned after being there for ten years?<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Well, one thing I’d say is that the federal criminal justice system program has been around for almost 45 years, Len, and so I have been privileged to be there for almost a quarter of its history.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 And one of the things that I’ve always said to my troops is that the best ideas in this field are not invented in federal agency conference rooms in Washington, but I think we’re very good at kind of serving what’s going on around the country and then picking up those ideas and spreading them.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 The best ideas do come from state and local criminal justice organizations, and they bubble up and we evaluate them and look at them and see if they really work and if we can replicate those findings elsewhere.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, for example, with drug courts.\u00a0 The first drug court was, of course, in Miami, but we were very helpful through the drug court program and through technical assistance and training and seed funding in getting that program out across the country.\u00a0 At the same time, the energy for it came from the state and local level.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 I just read an evaluation by the Urban Institute that you all funded where it compared drug courts to not just other offenders but other offenders of other types of treatment programs, and they had double the reduction of crime.\u00a0 I mean, that is an extraordinarily important finding, and that’s the sort of stuff that you do.\u00a0 You figure out what’s going on, you figure out what’s most potent, and you figure out the best way of doing it.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 That’s right, and I think that this actually points to something very important about this program, which is not only knowledge development but then knowledge dissemination and then the technical assistance in training\u00a0 I’ve often felt, Len, that the technical assistance dollars are one of the best, if not the best, federal investment in this area.\u00a0 It’s change agent money, it’s leveraging change at the local and state level.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 It’s guiding, it’s helping the state of Arkansas that comes up with a really interesting issue.\u00a0 It helps that idea bubble up to the rest of the country, and then you all take a look at it and find out what works, what’s important, how it works, and then you disseminate those findings to everybody else.\u00a0 If it wasn’t for the office of justice programs, that would not happen.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, I think that that’s correct because if you think about it, no one state or no one locality can undertake that kind of in-depth research, or it’s rare, and they certainly are not in a position to disseminate it nationally or to undertake that kind of broad, broad research.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Now one of the things that you and I have talked about in the past is this whole concept of practitioner-based, a focus on the individual, law enforcement commander, correctional commander, juvenile justice person.\u00a0 Have we made progress at the federal level in terms of making research come alive for them, making research user-friendly?\u00a0 We’ve discussed the fact that some of the findings in the past have been pretty difficult to read, pretty difficult to understand.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, I\u2019ll tell you.\u00a0 This has been one of my highest priorities.\u00a0 In the time interval between my service under Janet Reno in the 90s and when I came back under Eric Holder in 2009, I was at the University of Pennsylvania running a Master’s program in criminology, and I kicked myself that during my time under Janet Reno, I had never set up something like a what-works clearinghouse.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 To distill research information for busy, front-line practitioners.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Because you and I both know that a detective on the street or even a busy police chief cannot have the time to read academic journal articles or go to the American Society of Criminology meeting, and what they need is distilled information, and the same is true of busy Capitol Hill staff who are rushing to put a hearing together, for example.\u00a0 So within probably a week after I came back to the office of justice programs, I pulled my staff together and I said we’re going to put together a what-works clearinghouse.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And you can find the clearinghouse at www.ojp.gov \u2013 www.ojp.gov.\u00a0 That clearinghouse is a what-works clearinghouse, and it is the first time in my 42 years within the criminal justice system that you can go to one spot and take a look at a variety of topics in terms of research, in terms of what works, and it provides a summation as to what that research has to say.\u00a0 It’s taken us 40 years, four decades, to finally do that, and you did it.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yeah, it’s called crimesolutions.gov, so you can also find it just by Goggling crimesolutions.gov.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Okay, and why did it take us 40 years to do that?\u00a0 Let me ask bluntly, has there in the past been too much of an emphasis on the research community and not enough emphasis on the cop in the street, the people who work the criminal justice system?<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Well, I think there’s been a bifurcated focus, and there’s not been enough focus on getting the two of them together, and I’ll tell you, I’m a person who is impatient and coming back, I was even more impatient, and I thought if I’m going to be here, especially just a short period of time because originally I told Eric Holder I would only stay for a year and a half, and I thought I’m not going to be here long and we’re going to get this done, and I have to tell you, initially my staff said well, I don’t know, does this make sense? I said yep, it makes sense, and we’re going to do it.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 One of the experiences I had when I was with the Maryland Department of Public Safety is a public safety secretary would come along, and this is a story you and I have discussed in the past, and he plopped this telephone-sized book of research on my desk and say Sipes, I don’t have time to read this.\u00a0 Just give me a one-page summation as to what it has to say.\u00a0 So that was the key to the whole thing, right?\u00a0 Making it crystal clear, summarizing the research, and making the research come alive for the people in the field.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Right, that’s exactly right, and by the way, when I was teaching at Penn, I had my Master of Science students for their papers write one-page papers because I told them this would serve them better when they got out into post-graduation than the lengthy papers that they had to do in their other classes.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 The hardest thing in the world is to write succinctly.\u00a0 The hardest thing in the world to do is to get to the point, and a lot of people within the research community \u2013 you can blame this on me.\u00a0 You don’t have to say this.\u00a0 A lot of people in the research community have a very hard time doing that.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 I do not disagree.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Okay now, evidence-based.\u00a0 One thing that you really have emphasized in your time within President Obama’s administration has been evidence-based focused in criminal justice practices.\u00a0 The Crimes Solutions database is one of them.\u00a0 So the whole idea is that we, within the criminal justice system, have a degree of evidence that is easily readable that leads us to particular conclusions.\u00a0 Evidence-based means what?<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Well, I think that’s a very good question and when I did come back to OJP, I started something called the Evidence Integration Initiative for us to look across OJP at what we were doing in this area and in fact, even within our own agency, we had many different uses of that term in different grant solicitations, for example.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 So what it means, of course, is something based on science, but we have to be then articulating what that is.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Well, there’s a lot of people out there who are simply \u2013 still, I say, like offender reentry, which we are very, very involved in.\u00a0 It does come down to a certain degree of difficulty in terms of what practices to put in place for what kind of offender.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Of course.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 We’re getting there.\u00a0 There’s been a ton of research under your administration and previous administrations, but there’s still a sense of out in the field, well gee, what do we do?\u00a0 What does this mean?\u00a0 What do we mean by the high-risk offender?\u00a0 What do we mean by not putting so much of an emphasis on the low-risk offender?\u00a0 What is high risk?\u00a0 What is low risk?\u00a0 Those are just a couple of the questions that have bubbled up, so giving people clear and concise guidance is so important.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, and that’s why crimesolutions.gov, I think, is an important piece of guidance for the field and why we are also launching this spring something we call our diagnostic center or our helpdesk, which will be an additional tool for local jurisdictions to actually assist them in implementing the programs that are being recommended by crimesolutions.gov.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Okay, it’s a double-barreled approach.\u00a0 It’s crimesolutions.gov in terms of what works and then there’s a technical assistance branch that helps people come to grips with the data.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, for example, if you were the mayor of Des Moines, Iowa, and you were grappling with a problem, you might even know exactly what the problem is.\u00a0 Maybe it’s after-school burglaries, but you don’t know what program you need it implement it.\u00a0 You could call the diagnostic center and maybe even have a team deployed to go out and assess the problem and then turn to Crime Solutions or experts to assess what kind of approach is needed and then provide technical assistance to the jurisdiction to help in implementing that.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And that’s would be a godsend.\u00a0 That really would because up to a couple years ago, we knew about the Department of Justice.\u00a0 We knew about office of justice programs, we knew about BJA and NIJ and all the agencies that are under the Office of Justice Programs.\u00a0 We knew that there was research, but sometimes the idea of coming to a conclusion was almost impossible. What you got when you contacted the National Criminal Justice Reference Service was a bibliography, and it’s like, who has time to go through this massive bibliography and figure out what data applies to your particular situation and what the lessons are.\u00a0 So you’re streamlining that whole thing.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yeah, and this is something I feel very strongly about.\u00a0 If it’s hard for us in Washington to weave our way through the multiple funding streams \u2013 in OJP’s case, we have more than 50 different funding streams coming into our agency and multiple programs under some of those funding streams.\u00a0 How is someone out in the middle of the country supposed to understand that, much less feel their way through the different programs and research programs underneath those to figure out what’s going to work in Des Moines or Dubuque or Denver?<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Well, my assessment is that up until your arrival, it’s been almost impossible for them to do that.\u00a0 It is a daunting task.\u00a0 I mean, criminal justice administrators, as you’ve said, do not have time to read esoteric documents.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Correct.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 They do not have time to wade through 500 pages, 200 pages, 150 pages, they just don’t have the time.\u00a0 They want to say ah, drug courts, it works.\u00a0 The Urban Institute even gave recommendations in terms of what were the most powerful elements of it.\u00a0 They summarized a variety of research and they nailed it in terms of what the most viable parts of that program, the most workable parts of that program were, and that’s a difference.\u00a0 We didn’t get that five years ago.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Well, I fell very strongly about that kind of connection in that we need to connect federal agencies with people in the field who are the users.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 You know, one of the biggest issues, and I read two news summaries every day about crime and criminal justice agencies, and for the last two years \u2013 actually, longer than that \u2013 the big issue has been the budget reductions on the part of state and local agencies, and one of the things that your emphasis does is to try to point out to cash-strapped agencies the best ways of doing things and the best economical ways of doing things.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Right, and I think that’s exactly right, and this also is where research is so critical.\u00a0 I mean, let’s take one area in law enforcement.\u00a0 We know that law enforcement agencies around the country are seeing reductions.\u00a0 The report that came out from the cop’s office several months back documented how so many law enforcement agencies are having to reduce the number of officers and yet, you look at the research from David Weisburd of George Mason University about hot spots police, and if we know the areas where crime is occurring, it can really point to exactly where officers need to be deployed.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Yes, a focus on people, a focus on places.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 On places, exactly, and that can make it so much smarter.\u00a0 The Attorney General talks about smart on crime and smart policing, exactly where you should be focusing your officers is a good way to think about a smart deployment of scarce resources<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 We’re halfway through the interview.\u00a0 I want to reintroduce Assistant Attorney General Laurie Robinson of the Office of Justice Programs, www.ojp.gov \u2013 www.ojp.gov.\u00a0 One of the other things that is of immense interest to us, Laurie, is this whole concept of reducing recidivism, offenders coming out of the prison system.\u00a0 There are 700,000 people released from state and federal prisons every single year, and the states are screaming bloody murder as to the fact that they can no longer afford the level of incarceration that they’ve had in the past.\u00a0 Reducing the rate of return back to the prison system is just not only a public safety issue.\u00a0 For them, it is an extraordinarily important way of controlling their own cost.\u00a0 So you’ve put a lot of emphasis on offender reentry.\u00a0 For those reasons?<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, absolutely.\u00a0 It is an issue obviously about public safety, about reducing victimization in the community and as you said, it’s an issue about reducing costs.\u00a0 This is a very high priority, not just for the office of justice programs but for the Attorney General, for Eric Holder.\u00a0 As you probably know, Eric Holder is personally chairing a Cabinet-level reentry council, and he has more than half of the Cabinet, the domestic side of the Cabinet, personally attending these council meetings.\u00a0 Len, you and I have both attended, what, thousands of meetings in our lives, in our professional lives.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Absolutely, yeah.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 I have had the privilege of sitting at the table in Eric Holder’s conference room with this reentry council, and I will tell you that these two meetings that I have sat at have been the most exciting meetings perhaps in my entire professional career.\u00a0 To sit at the table and see these Cabinet members personally engaged.\u00a0 They’re not reading talking points.\u00a0 They’re excited about what they can do to get involved and draw not only the resources but the engagement and energy, and the power of their Cabinet departments to address this issue.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Does the average citizen, though, understand that what we’re talking about is less victimization?\u00a0 I mean, the good news is that there’s been an almost continual 20-year decrease in crime and certainly research in the office of justice programs have greatly contributed to this long-term reduction in crime, but if you go into Baltimore and Cleveland and so many other cities throughout this country, crime is just an integral part of their day-to-day lives.\u00a0 It really has an impact on schools, on cities, and that\u2019s what we’re talking about, are we not?\u00a0 What we’re talking about is not only saving states money in terms of fewer people coming back into the prison system.\u00a0 We’re talking about fewer victimizations and we’re talking about thousands of fewer victimizations.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 You are obviously correct on that, but you raise a very good point, that while crime, of course, is down across the country, there are many communities, particularly in urban areas, where crime remains a daunting problem.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 And have we sufficiently educated the public in those areas about the importance of reentry and reducing recidivism? I don’t know that we have.\u00a0 In fact, I think we have not sufficiently done that important public education job, and so there’s more to be done there, but it’s a very important job that we do because the costs are huge and the costs are great for those communities in a broader, non-monetary sense because it destroys those communities.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 I won’t say who they are, but two people who are very close to me said Leonard, I know you\u2019re interested in this concept of offender reentry, but look, we have the elderly to take care of, we have schools to take care of, we have kids to take care of.\u00a0 I’m just not all that excited about pouring more money into people who have harmed other human beings.\u00a0 I mean, I have struggled to convince people who are close to me that this is a concept worth considering, so that’s a daunting problem for those of us in the criminal justice system to convince people that this is in their best interest.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, and I think that that’s why public education is needed, and I think, for example, on the issue of employment of ex-offenders.\u00a0 When there are many people out of work in this country that this is a real challenge.\u00a0 One of the things that is very heartening to me is that there is strong bipartisan support on Capitol Hill and elsewhere in the states.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Isn’t that interesting? We have some staunch conservatives.\u00a0 I’m sorry for bringing up politics, but we have people on both sides of the aisle who are now very supportive of this concept of reentry.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I think there’s a strong belief in the faith community, for example, in the notion of redemption.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 And I find this very heartening and that there is a strong base of support for the notion of people coming back and becoming good fathers and mothers in their families, to their children, because of course we know that the children of incarcerated persons, that there\u2019s a great deal from the research that says there’s a strong chance that they, themselves, will follow lives of crime, as well.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Right, it’s just not that individual offender.\u00a0 It’s the children.\u00a0 I mean, 80% of women offenders \u2013 it’s a very large number in terms of male offenders \u2013 they have kids.\u00a0 I mean, it’s just not them, it’s the kids who will benefit greatly from an employed, non-drug using person.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Correct, and the impact on the community around them, as well, of course<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 We talked about basic recommendations for law enforcement.\u00a0 Did you have any more?\u00a0 I mean, this is exciting.\u00a0 I mean, what we’re trying to do for law enforcement is to marshal the focus on individual places, hot spots policing where the most crime occurs, marshaling resources, doing crime analysis, analyzing what’s there, predicting future behavior.\u00a0 Nobody quite understands all of the technical documents that comes out of your office in terms of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, in terms of evaluating tires on police cars, in terms of the best way to collect evidence.\u00a0 I mean, that all comes out of your office.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 The public’s fascinated with CSI.\u00a0 You are CSI.\u00a0 You’re the real CSI.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, and I’m probably not the best.\u00a0 I’m definitely not the best person to explain all of the detail on the technical side but yes, we have wonderful people working on those issues and we fund a great deal on the side of forensics and the technical \u2013 the tire analysis and all of that, and I’m proud of the work that’s done there under our National Institute of Justice.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 But as a former state trooper, as a person who as gone well over 100 miles an hour responding to calls, the best possible tires were very important to me and my life and the lives of other people, and I am just not quite sure that everybody realizes the complexity of your organization in terms of how many fingers you have in so many pies within the criminal justice system.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes, and actually the first research on DNA was done in our predecessor agency, the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, LEAA, so there’s great history there, as well as the invention of the bulletproof vest.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 The bulletproof vest research is, again, of interest to me because I have to wear one with this agency when I’m going with the parole and probation officers out in the field.\u00a0 So let me go off law enforcement for a second.\u00a0 Any recommendations regarding juvenile justice?\u00a0 I mean, this is a field where there’s some sort of yin and yang between putting them away and the treatment part of it, which also applies to adult offenders, as well, but it seems to have a greater emphasis in the juvenile justice field.\u00a0 Is that something that you want to talk about in terms of best practices?<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I think that in the juvenile justice field, we have actually a combination of new material both on the hard science and the soft science.\u00a0 Very interesting work, as I’m sure you know, that’s been done in what I would call the hard science side that has been greatly publicized by the Macarthur Foundation and others about the development of the adolescent mind, and I think the New York Times Magazine had an interesting piece about this not too long ago that has real consequences about the kind of lack of development of the adolescent brain and how it’s not fully developed until individuals are into their 20s, and the inability for impulse control and that kind of thing that has real implications about the transfer of adolescents into the adult system, for example, and how we really deal with children in the justice system.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 One of the things I found exciting as I was reading a literature review one day, and they said that out of all the things regarding juvenile justice, the idea of sending social workers into the homes of kids who are acting out and working with the parents or working with the mother at a fairly early age \u2013 that contributed to one of the highest decreases in criminal activity when they followed these individuals over the course of 25 years.\u00a0 That’s exciting.\u00a0 I mean, that gives us clear guidance in terms of something that we can do early and yet bring down the crime rate even more.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I think this was the nurse home visitation study, and that is some of the most rigorous research that has been done, kind of gold standard research, and it shows dramatic reductions in later delinquency and really a stark contrast at relatively low cost.\u00a0 So that is an excellent example.\u00a0 Something else I would point to, research by Ed Mulvey, which talks about with relatively serious juvenile offenders the kind of things that can be done there to reduce recidivism\u00a0 For example, substance treatment that really can make a difference.\u00a0 After care is very key, and his research also shows that longer stays in juvenile confinement do not necessarily decrease or do, rather, decrease recidivism. So his work, which has really followed juveniles over a long period of time I think is quite significant.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 We have just a couple minutes left in terms of a very quick program.\u00a0 So the bottom line in all of this, Madam Assistant Attorney General, Laurie, is that through the years of research, we are now coming to clear conclusions in terms of how the criminal justice system should conduct itself.\u00a0 That seems to be borne out in the fact that especially within the last 10-15 years we’ve had almost continual reductions in crime.\u00a0 So you know, that seems to be a message, does it not, that we really do have a pretty good sense as to where it is that we should go?\u00a0 All we have to do now is to make it available to the practitioner.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Well, I do think that first of all, I\u2019m not sure that we can claim that what we’ve been doing is responsible for the reductions in crime.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Agreed, agreed.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 But I do think that we are on a good course as far as trying to unite the research findings with practitioners, and I am so optimistic about the kind of energy and quality of practitioners both in criminal and juvenile justice in this country.\u00a0 I used to say to my students when I was teaching at the University of Pennsylvania \u2013 we were right across the street from the Wharton School of Business, and on the first day of classes, I would say to them, if you’re in this business to make money, you should really go across the street to Wharton.\u00a0 You know, people, in other words, are in our business because they have a passion, because they care about it, and it’s true across the country that people work in this business because they care, because they have a passion, and I see this when I travel across the country that people are so engaged, even with the challenges out there.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And those challenges are many because you know, I was just reading the other day about indigent defense, public defender offices being cut.\u00a0 I mean, more than ever before, I mean, some public defenders offices are basically saying that they just can’t handle it.\u00a0 I mean, the budget cuts \u2013 there’s a wide variety of agencies that are really struggling.\u00a0 This means the best possible research to show people how to do more with less.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 That’s right, but I think people in our field are so innovative and they’re open to change.\u00a0 This is not true in every field, but I think we have seen over the last ten years that people in the criminal and juvenile justice fields are, at least at the state and local level, open to change and they’re willing to innovate, and they have been enormously innovative.\u00a0 I think we’re at a real crossroads here because of the pressures from the budget and that taking an area like justice reinvestment, that people are willing to work across the aisle, that they’re willing to look at new approaches, and that they’re seeing results from it relying on research and relying on new approaches.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 This may be an opportunity.\u00a0 This may be forced change, force us to change the way we do business within the criminal justice system.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Absolutely.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And we couldn\u2019t do that without your research.<\/p>\n
Laurie Robinson:\u00a0 Well, without the research and sharing lessons learned.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 We close.\u00a0 Assistant Attorney General Laurie Robinson of the Office of Justice Programs, US Department of Justice, we greatly appreciate you being here, and ladies and gentlemen, as always, we appreciate your letters, we appreciate your emails, we appreciate your phone calls with criticisms and suggestions and recommendations for new shows, and I want everybody to have themselves a very, very pleasant day.<\/p>\n
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