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Len Sipes:\u00a0 From the nation\u2019s capital this is DC Public Safety. I\u2019m your host Leonard Sipes. Ladies and gentlemen, today we\u2019re going to be talking about the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority\u2019s Adult Redeploy Program. At our microphones we\u2019ve got people from throughout the United States. Mary Ann Dyar, she is a Program Administrator of the Adult Redeploy Program in Illinois. Jack Cutrone, he is the Executive Director of the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority. And we have Cabell Cropper, he is the Executive Director of the National Criminal Justice Association. This program is really interesting, ladies and gentlemen. Landmark legislation, it seeks to promote local alternatives to incarceration for low-level, nonviolent offenders. In order to meet this goal, the legislation empowered the Criminal Justice Information Authority to create the Adult Redeploy Program, which provides monetary incentives to help communities pay for evidence-based, rehabilitative and supervision services. In exchange for monetary incentives and technical assistance, localities agree to reduce the number of offenders remanded to the division of correction there in the state of Illinois by 25%. While the initiative is only a little more than two years old, it\u2019s already diverted 1,200 offenders and it saved an estimated 20 million dollars. Ladies and gentlemen, again, Mary Ann Dyar, Jack Cutrone, and Cabell Cropper the Executive Director of the National Criminal Justice Association. Welcome to DC Public Safety.<\/p>\n
Mary Ann Dyar:\u00a0 Thank you for having me.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Thank you.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 All right, Jack, give me a sense of the program. You\u2019re the Executive Director of the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority. You guys, by the way, have been doing this for decades. I can\u2019t, I\u2019m not aware of a state in the Unites States that has been more data driven than the state of Illinois through the criminal justice authority in the state of Illinois. You guys have been around for decades.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Yes. We have. And we actually have been doing the best job that we can to try and educate policy makers and legislators about the benefit of using evidence-based practices programs in the criminal justice area in order to produce the best results. And the Adult Redeploy Program was enacted through some landmark legislation in Illinois, which was the Crime Reduction Act of 2009, an act that our agency certainly welcomed. It created a much stronger database decision making policy for the state. And one aspect of that was the creation of the Adult Redeploy Illinois Program.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And so it\u2019s been in existence for how long, a little over two years?<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Actually a little \u2013 the act was passed in 2009. I think the first site went up in early 2011. Is that correct, Mary Ann?<\/p>\n
Mary Ann Dyar:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 So it\u2019s actually been in operation for about three years, but those were the earliest pilot sites. And Mary Ann has done a wonderful job of promoting the program to local jurisdictions throughout the state and has expanded it immeasurably.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And, Mary Ann, why don\u2019t you talk to me about the process of redeploying or throughout the state of Illinois?<\/p>\n
Mary Ann Dyar:\u00a0 Well, the goals of Adult Redeploy Illinois are to reduce crime and recidivism at a lower cost to taxpayers and provide financial incentives to counties or judicial circuits to create effective local level evidence-based services and to encourage the successful local supervision of eligible offenders in the reintegration into the locality. Those goals are stated in the Crime Reduction Act. How we do that is providing grants to local jurisdictions. That might be counties; it might be groups of counties that come together, review the data as to the number of eligible offenders that they\u2019re sending to the Department of Corrections, and when I say eligible, that\u2019s nonviolent offenders, per the statute, that are going into the Department of Corrections on charges that would\u2019ve been eligible for probation. And they look at the data, they look at the gaps in their services and their supervision capabilities.\u00a0 When I say supervision, again, that would be probation, their probation departments, primarily, and they determine, if funds were available, who would be their target population to reduce the number of nonviolent offenders going to prison, and what would be the target intervention focused around an evidence-based practice. They submit to us a mini-strategic plan that basically gives the context, describes the data, describes their target population, and then what it is they want to do. And an oversight board, that was basically enacted by the Crime Reduction Act as well, reviews those grant requests and makes them in exchange for the commitment to reduce by 25% the number of people they send to prison from that target population they\u2019ve identified.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Cabell, you \u2013<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 And let me \u2013<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Go ahead, please.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 I\u2019m going to lose track .<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Go ahead.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 I was going to pick up on something that Mary Ann was speaking about.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Please.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 In terms of the local jurisdictions developing a goal identifying their target population, because the statute provides actually for a penalty if the local jurisdiction doesn\u2019t meet its reduction goal, we through \u2013 and I\u2019ll call the Criminal Justice Information Authority CJIA, because that\u2019s a much shorter term that we usually employ \u2013 CJIA houses criminal history record information, and once they identify their target population, we run through our database and calculate how many individuals from that population they have sent to the Department of Corrections over the past, over the prior three year period. And that\u2019s how we establish the goal number in order to beat that 25% reduction. So in a way it sort of keeps them honest, but, frankly, none of the jurisdictions have ever had a problem with meeting the goal. For the most part, they exceed it greatly.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Well, I do want to talk more about that in terms of how they met that goal and what percentage were and what were the issues, controversies, discussions that the different counties throughout the state of Illinois had. But I do also want to get in the Executive Director of the National Criminal Justice Association, Cabell Cropper. Cabell, the whole idea here is that the project Redeploy has done something wonderful that the National Criminal Justice Association wants to bring to the attention of everybody else throughout the country. And I do want to point out to the listeners that the National Criminal Justice Association has been at the forefront of making sure that everybody out there understands what programs work, the fact that they\u2019re throughout the country, they recognize good programs, programs that really do need attention. So the role of the National Criminal Justice Association has been rather profound in terms of bringing these experiences to the rest of us in the criminal justice system, agreed?<\/p>\n
Cabell Cropper:\u00a0 That\u2019s correct. That\u2019s right on target. And what we\u2019ve been doing nationally as the representative of the state administrating agencies, those agencies in each state that\u2019s designated by the governor to manage criminal justice systems coming from both federal and state governments, we provide support in terms of working with these agencies to put in place comprehensive multi-disciplinary stakeholder driven strategic planning processes. And specifically with the Adult Redeploy Program we have provided some support to Mary Ann and her staff in overall kind of the high-level of strategic planning. And also we then use our experience to bring that program to other state agencies, pointing out the effectiveness and how it is a good example of a data driven strategy that ends up saving money as well as providing better outcomes for both the offenders and the community. So, yeah, so we are, we look to state agencies like the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority to lead the way on these kinds of initiatives. And this particular one is of national significance that we like to bring to the attention of other states.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Cabell, before we go back to our friends in Illinois. Am I right in saying that the true innovation within the criminal justice system doesn\u2019t necessarily come from those of us in Washington DC, it seems to percolate up at the county and state and local levels, and that\u2019s one of the real strengths of the National Criminal Justice Association, because you represent all of the criminal justice authorities within the 50 states and territories?<\/p>\n
Cabell Cropper:\u00a0 Absolutely. That\u2019s exactly right. All the programs that we consider now best practices, the promising practices have come from a state or local level. Starting with drug courts back in the 90s all the way through now to the whole probation program in Hawaii \u2013<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n
Cabell Cropper:\u00a0 And now programs like Adult Redeploy. So, yes, definitely, it does not come from DC.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 So, Jack and Mary Ann, basically we\u2019re sitting here because Illinois has been (a) doing evidence-based research for how long, Jack? I mean I think my entire criminal justice existence, which spans 40 years, I can\u2019t remember the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority not being there.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 It\u2019s actually been in existence a bit over 30 years. There was actually a predecessor agency that had a slightly different name, but, yeah, we\u2019ve been around for altogether probably about 40 years.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And have the people in the state of Illinois, the criminal justice authorities throughout the state, the people in the legislature, the governor\u2019s office, has it been your experience that they really pay a lot of attention to the evidence-based research that you\u2019ve been producing for decades?<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 It certainly has been a growing movement, not only in Illinois, but nationally, towards applying the principles of evidence-based or empirically driven programming throughout the criminal justice system. It was something that was actually I think adopted from the medical field, initially, where they realized that some of the treatments they were giving there was no data to support their effectiveness. And that idea certainly has taken hold in the criminal justice field and among policymakers and legislators in Illinois.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Well, I just wanted to be sure that the evidence, rather, the audience really understands that Illinois was one of the leaders in this country in terms of moving into evidence-based practices. Mary Ann, talk to me about the experience of getting Adult Redeploy into the counties and jurisdictions throughout the state of Illinois. I would imagine at the beginning it was not the easiest of sells, was it or was it not?<\/p>\n
Mary Ann Dyar:\u00a0 There\u2019s a lot of, well, first of all I should mention that the Adult Redeploy Illinois Program is based on a successful Juvenile Redeploy Illinois Program that\u2019s been operating since 2005, and during that time has built up an impressive reputation for bringing down the number of juvenile offenders in the juvenile prison system. In fact, they have beat; generally, the Juvenile Redeploy Illinois sites have beat their 25% reduction goals and have been over 50%. In one site they went from sending 83 kids to juvenile prison a year to 11 \u2013<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Wow!<\/p>\n
Mary Ann Dyar:\u00a0 Through the interventions, the evidence-based interventions that were funded by Redeploy Illinois. So we were able to leverage that reputation and that understanding from the juvenile side and go into the communities and talk with them about how this might be replicated in the adult criminal justice system. And you\u2019re correct; it wasn\u2019t always an easy sell. Not only are we talking about the difference between the way juvenile offenders may be regarded by the community and their ability to be rehabilitated versus hardened adult criminals, but we\u2019re also talking about the concerns on public safety that are very high-profile to elected officials, whether it be prosecutors, even in our state judges are retained through popular vote. So we did have to talk with them in terms of the evidence base that really does support that. They could be doing more harm than good by sending nonviolent offenders to prison. And this is an opportunity for them to invest in their local communities and get better results.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 It sounds a bit like the Justice Reinvestment model. I just did a radio program with the Urban Institute, Nancy La Vigne. And we just did this program last week. And the whole idea was to do it smarter, do it better, do it evidence-based, take a look at who you\u2019re incarcerating and why, who you\u2019re putting into the criminal justice system. And that actually has a way of lowering recidivism, making it safer for the public, and at the same time, saving a tremendous amount of money and some of that money is reinvested back into the local communities to provide services. It sounds like what you\u2019re describing with the Criminal Justice Information Authority\u2019s Adult Redeploy Initiative is Justice Reinvestment.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Indeed. That is correct. It\u2019s Illinois\u2019 version of Justice Reinvestment.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And then that works for you. What I just said, that scenario of smarter, better, evidence-based, data driven, lowering recidivism, protecting the public, and saving tax paid dollars, that all applies here.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Absolutely.<\/p>\n
Mary Ann Dyar:\u00a0 Right. Yeah. And another thing that was mentioned in your program, which I thought was excellent, on the Justice Reinvestment Initiative, is the cultural shift that we\u2019re trying to promote is not only are we trying to demonstrate that you can get better results for less cost with this particular population if you utilize the best research out there and the technology that\u2019s out there in terms of information sharing, but you can also have a different way of looking at the individual who is coming into this system on a nonviolent charge. Particularly if it\u2019s driven by underlying needs in substance abuse, mental illness, even economic conditions can drive people to make decisions that are considered antisocial. If a community can look at that individual and what\u2019s underlying their criminal behavior and then invest in proven practices to address those issues, then you\u2019re talking about a cultural shift from send them away and throw away the key.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Well, what I want to do when \u2013 I\u2019m halfway; we\u2019re more than halfway through program. Let me reintroduce you and then, Jack, we\u2019ll come back to your comments. Ladies and gentlemen, today we\u2019re doing a program on the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority\u2019s Adult Redeploy Program. Pretty doggone successful initiative as far as I can tell. Mary Ann Dyar, she is the Program Administrator, Adult Redeploy in Illinois. Jack Cutrone is the Executive Director of the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority. And Cabell Cropper, he is the Executive Director of the National Criminal Justice Association. Again, we\u2019re indebted to the National Criminal Justice Association for this program, and bringing, again, a decade\u2019s worth of exemplary experience from the States to the attention of everybody else, so we can mimic and we can copy. Jack, you were trying to get in a comment.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Well, I just wanted to amplify on what Mary Ann was speaking about and in response to the topic you brought up about a culture shift. Her job has been made much more difficult in Illinois by the fact that we have a non-unified court system. So each local jurisdiction is run by a chief judge who\u2019s largely autonomous, staffed by a state\u2019s attorney who\u2019s an elected official, therefore, autonomous, answerable to voters. And our experience and our research shows that there is a widely varying point of view about appropriate sentences to be given on individual cases across the state. The same offense in one county might produce a much different sentence in another county, sometimes much harsher. And Mary Ann has done a great job in terms of promoting the idea of producing a better result through the use of proven\u00a0 practices, rather than just keep going doing the same thing we\u2019ve always done and getting the same results, and she\u2019s a marvelous salesperson with that.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Cabell, but the experience that Jack just talked about is something that we\u2019re going through throughout the United States, is it not? This whole idea of having this discussion at the state level, having it at the county level, having it at the local level, everybody coming together and having this grand conversation, which seems to be taking place in thousands of locations. Having a conversation as to how can we do it smarter, better, cleaner, crisper, how can we reduce the burden on state government, and at the same time, how can we create a criminal justice system that reduces recidivism, reduces reoffending, and save money at the same time? That\u2019s a conversation that\u2019s happening everywhere, right?<\/p>\n
Cabell Cropper:\u00a0 That\u2019s correct. By the weakened economic situation in the country we\u2019ve been through the past several years that were pulling out of, but that really provided the impetus to begin to look very critically at how we were spending money in the criminal justice system. And it\u2019s really grown into this movement in terms of the Justice Reinvestment Initiative and some of these other programs like Adult Redeploy that look at how are we spending the money in criminal justice and how can we do a better job of that and be smarter about it<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Oh, sorry, Cabell.<\/p>\n
Cabell Cropper:\u00a0 No. I was just going to, yes, that\u2019s happening in almost every state and now more and more the local communities.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Mary Ann, that\u2019s \u2013<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Because I wanted to comment \u2013<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Go ahead, Jack.<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 I wanted to comment on that too, because the Adult Redeploy Program is really exemplary in terms of using federal funding to stimulate pilot projects in the state. When the Crime Reduction Act was passed 2009 creating Adult Redeploy, given Illinois\u2019 current budget issues, the legislature was unable to provide funding. Governor Quinn of Illinois was very interested in promoting the program and we worked with the governor\u2019s office to use four million dollars in American Reinvestment Recovery Act dollars to form a pilot or provide pilot funding for the programs. Once we had it up and running, we were able through our capture of data to take it the Illinois legislature and said, \u201cLook, this is our program. We are saving the state money.\u201d\u00a0 We were able to persuade the General Assembly even in extremely tight economic circumstances to start funding it with state money; initially a two million dollar appropriation to cover the time period in which the federal funding was running out, and then last year a seven million dollar appropriation, and the governor has requested another seven million dollars this year. So it\u2019s kind of using federal money to create a laboratory in the States to identify and put into effect good practices and programs.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Well, I find it amazing, because we have this conversations at the national level, we have them at the state level, but then again, we have Mary Ann who\u2019s done it all at the local level. And, Mary Ann, you were talking about the difficulty, the sea-change, the cultural change, trying to bring everybody onboard and the fact that it was not easy. What do you think the principle at the county level; the principle ingredient was in terms of bringing them on? Because you\u2019ve got 1,200 offenders diverted, you\u2019ve saved the state 20 million dollars, the locals get funding as result of that, but what was the magic ingredient, the secret sauce that actually made that happen at the local level? Was it your pervasive, you being so persuasive, or was it some policy initiative?<\/p>\n
Mary Ann Dyar:\u00a0 Well, I think there\u2019re a number of things that I can point to other than my persuasive or persuasion practices. But essentially, one thing is that we were working from, as you\u2019ve alluded to earlier, a situation where Illinois has been discussing evidence-based practices and has been training actually many players in the system throughout the probation system on evidence-based practices for over ten years. What we often found though, is these individual players in the system got excited about what was possible and excited about the research, excited about the new tools that they were provided, but there was no funding to support it. And in fact, funding continued to be cut back from county probation budgets over the last several years, actually quite dramatically, making it impossible to implement these practices.\u00a0 When they found out that there was some funding available that would actually incentivize them to implement what they learned, I think we found a lot of players that were just really excited about the opportunity, and they really carried the ball forward on that. I can\u2019t say though that we haven\u2019t been really benefited from or have been benefiting from the national dialogue, and what the National Criminal Justice Association has done in order to promote these conversations about evidence-based practices and the opportunities for getting better results at a lower cost.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 And that\u2019s one of the beauties about Cabell\u2019s organization, the fact that they act as a central clearing house for state criminal justice agencies to have this discussion. So, again, thanks to the National Criminal Justice Association. Jack, are you coming in?<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Yes. I just wanted to amplify on some of what Mary Ann was saying in terms of how we make it attractive to the local jurisdiction. We are talking about a population of in the criminal justice system that traditionally had gone to the Department of Corrections. The Department of Corrections in Illinois, unfortunately, has a three year return rate, recidivism rate, of almost 50%. These practices that we are talking about we know it\u2019s going to produce a much lower recidivism rate. So when we\u2019re talking to local jurisdictions, what we\u2019re talking about is the basic product of the criminal justice system, which is public safety. And we can demonstrate to the local jurisdictions that these practices mean less crime. Data driven, empirical, empirically driven evidence-based practices, become somewhat esoteric, but if you talk in terms of, \u201cYou\u2019re going to have less crime in your county as a result of this program.\u201d<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 It\u2019s less \u2013<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 That becomes meaningful.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 But we really haven\u2019t dived into that point. It\u2019s less crime because of the programs that you all put in place, whether it be drug treatment, whether it be mental health, whether it be vocational, whatever it is, they\u2019re getting, the people diverted are getting the programs they need to stay out of the criminal justice system. There\u2019re lower level offenders that get the programs that they need. Is that the bottom line?<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 It\u2019s part of a bottom line. Mary Ann mentioned it earlier. When you take people who are nonviolent, who are low-risk, and you impose a very strong sanction, such as imprisonment in the Illinois Department of Corrections, you are actually increasing the chance that they\u2019re going to commit another crime.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Because of the research that \u2013<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 So \u2013<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Says that you\u2019ve got to pick the most dangerous that people that who really needed the high-risk offenders, and that\u2019s where you put your services or your incarcerative resources, and to the lower level people you try to divert. But you divert them in the programs, right?<\/p>\n
Jack Cutrone:\u00a0 Absolutely, absolutely. And I don\u2019t mean to pick on the Illinois Department of Corrections. They, as are all state agencies, being victimized by falling state revenues and lowered budgets. I\u2019m sure the Department of Corrections, if it had adequate funding to put in enough programs in place, would have a much lower recidivist rate, but the fact is in this financial climate that just can\u2019t be done. And Adult Redeploy offers an alternative.<\/p>\n
Mary Ann Dyar:\u00a0 And I should mention that our oversight board, which is defined and established by the Crime Reduction Act, is co-chaired by the Director of the Department of Corrections and our Secretary of the Department of Human Services. And I think that that sends a very strong signal about how the solution to getting better results to drive down crime and recidivism is a collaboration, requires a collaboration between supervision strategies, effective supervision strategies, and human services that address underlying causes of crime.<\/p>\n
Len Sipes:\u00a0 Well, Mary Ann, you\u2019ve got the final word. I think the program, the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority\u2019s Adult Redeploy Program, again, it\u2019s amazing\u2019 1,200 offenders diverted, saving the state over 20 million dollars, and at the same time, protecting public safety. That is a heck of a combination. Our guests today, ladies and gentlemen, have been Mary Ann Dyar; she is the Program Administrator, Adult Redeploy in Illinois. Jack Cutrone, he is the Executive Director of the famous Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority. And we have Cabell Cropper; he is the Executive Director of the National Criminal Justice Association. Again, thanks to them for putting together this program. The website for the Criminal Justice Information Authority and the project Redeploy is www.icjia.org\/redeploy. Ladies and gentlemen, this is DC Public Safety. We appreciate your comments, we even appreciate your criticisms, and we want everybody to have yourselves a very pleasant day.<\/p>\n
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